VBAC

[AmyB]

Considering chances are slim Rachel will be able to recover much of our old forum, I thought I'd start a new thread on this popular topic - VBAC ( vaginal birth after cesarean, for those who don't know).

At your leisure, feel free to share your own experiences to stay here as long as this forum is around! :)

[JeanineAnne]

I had a VBAC with my middle child. I would be more than happy to discuss or answer any questions.

Just pm me :)

[rocking baby]

I want a vbac for my next child...but with being on military insurance i'm not sure i can find a doc that will be willing to do it..


have anyone wanted one but dct wouldnt do it?

[BlessedMommy]

Hmm....Well I don't have any experience in that area. But I've read that VBAC's can be successful about 70% of the time. And if your reason for your first C-section isn't recurring, there should be no reason why you can't try for a VBAC. I hope and pray that you will find a doctor that will be willing to work with you!

~Ruth

Yeah, I had an emergency caesarian with my twins but I as yet being only 16 weeks havent gotten to discussing birth with my obstetrician since the last two visits have been about problems I've been having healthwise...

I am actually not keen to try a vaginal birth after all, my sister told me afterwards you feel like all your insides are going to drop out if you stand up :( besides I would hate to get half way through all that pain and have them tell me it's not going to work out y'know?

I will probably broach the subject next time I see Dr Jose because I will probably be way past five months.... I have a feeling this baby is going to be big because even though I am only 16 weeks the baby is growing above the growth scale if that makes sense??? (which either means I am futher or it's going to be big and due to circumstances I really don't think I am further!!!!)

Apparently I;ve been told you have a choice if you have had one caesarian in Australia, but then it would depend on if the doctor is a stickler for el natural y'know?

[JoyLynn]

I had four c-sections. The first one I knew in advance because he was a footling breach. I was disappointed for the first couple of days after I found out and then I felt much better. I actually totally enjoyed my cs experience. I loved knowing the exact day and time each baby was going to be born (I handed out invitations) and feeling so calm and relaxed while I was delivering. It was the emotional experience I thought a natural birth would be, minus the pain. The thing that surprised me was that I didn't hurt afterwards. I was walking the hospital halls within a couple of hours and on wonderful drugs so I felt completely normal. I told the nurse when I was leaving three days later that I felt like I could do cartwheels and didn't need to be wheelchaired out to my car. I don't know if I was just strange but I never had any pain during all four and by day two I would take only one Vikadin (sp?) before bed for about two weeks. I would have been thrilled to deliver my babies any way God had in mind.

Joy [welcomewave]

I had no pain either after my caesarian, except I had mine first thing in the morning and they made me lay in bed until 10am the next day which was infuriating, as soon as they took the catheter out I was out of bed straight away ( I am not one for laying around unless I am sick)

I only took paracetamol, but of course I realise not everyone has such an experience, I have heard other women say it is very painful.

My friend has no choice but to have caesarian either and she says she too likes the feeling of knowing when she is going to have her baby and how.

My SIL has had two natural births and then she had to have a caesarian with her twins and she still advocates natural birth (actually she is a bit of a natural birth at all costs person - she actually gets very snaky about people having caesarian's even though one saved her life!!!) - so everyone is different.

[JoyLynn]

Sure is different for everyone. I'm just happy when I hear mommies who loved their birthing experience, regardless of how they did it. I always feel so sad for those who feel that it didn't go "right". :cry:

Joy [welcomewave]

Well to add to this topic, I just found out on an Australian site called birthtalk that most Australian doctors are reluctant to perform VBAC beacuse of the associated risks -

I found out it is actually HARDER to get a VBAC than another caesarian!

Something I intend to query the midwive on when I see her next Wednesday. I guess if I was adamant I wanted a VBAC it would bother me, but because I am not keen.... but for other women wanting the choice I do feel for them. It's such a personal thing!

[Godzgirl]

I wanted to have a v-bac but my doctor stopped doing v-bacs the beginning of this year. I had an emergency c-section with my daughter after 17 hrs of labor so it was kind of neat this time to have a scheduled one and know what day and time the baby would be born. I know it also made it easier on our family because they didn't have to sit and wait for hours for the birth of our baby this time. :wink:

[JoyLynn]

Mine advised against it as well.

Joy [welcomewave]

Joy

what risks did he say were involved? Someone mentioned to me the uterus can split! arrrgh! That sounds ghastly.

My doctor is a Christian and he is pretty relaxed about everything, so I am quite comfortable to speak to him about this.

Aussie-Mum (Emma)

[JoyLynn]

That was the major reason I was given, as well. But he also said that the liklihood of needing a "c" was much greater in women who've already had one, and the risks involved with "c"s go up when it's done last minute, emergency style. Did that make sense? Anyway, point being that a scheduled "c" supposedly carries the smallest risk. That's what they say, anyway. If I hadn't liked my "c" experiences as well as I did, I would have pushed the issue further and did my own research. Maybe a second and third opinion.

Joy [welcomewave]

[MomFromCanada]

I am debating on this myself whether to schedule a section for the next child or not, I ended up having to get a section when I didn't anticipate it, dd was stuck and I stopped dilating and I was exhausted. I would like to think that I could have a scheduled section next time because I am afraid that the same thing could happen to me again, but then again I think about a VBAC too. I am probably going to talk to my dr. about it the next time we get pregnant.

Mumfromcanada

Yeah that is the reason why I don't want to go for a "trial labour" either (that;s what they call it when you want a VBAC over here) - I would had to go through it like you did and then have the doctor stop the labour etc.

The reason why I am back in here posting is because I am broaching the subject with my doctor in two days and I am really nervious about addressing it despite the fact other women have said that Dr Jose does what the patient wants - I actually had a nightmare about it, that instead of seeing him I was made to see this really horrible midwife who wouldn't listen to my concerns about VBAC and I was saying "I want to see Dr Jose, I was meant to see him" and she was a real battleaxe.

It turns out I may not have a choice anyway as my placenta is down low and the Obstetrician in attendance at my anatomy scan was concerned about it's placing and that it would adhere to my prior caesarian section scar ... he didn't spell out what would happen IF it didn't move, he just said "It may effect WHERE we deliver you and HOW" - I learnt later if the placenta doesn't move up, I will have to have my belly cut downwards to get the baby out instead of on my prior caesarian scar. Obviously I am upset about this... as anyone would be.

I think it's just too much in my mind lately because of the upcoming appointment AND the placenta situation... UGH

[JoyLynn]

Aussie Mum, when I was preg with my second baby (I had c's with all four) I was afraid like you and the others. I was afraid when the doctor would tell me he might let me "try" a vbac. I was afraid I would possibly go through a lot of pain for nothing and end up with another c anyway. But, I was also worried about what other moms might think of me.

I was afraid that all the moms who delivered naturally would think I was taking the easy way out. Well, an easier way WAS being offered to me, even suggested, by my doctor. I was just afraid of what others might think of me. Sometimes moms can be judgemental and think that their way is the best way and that if you don't do things exactly the way they did, that you aren't really participating in the "mom experience".

I don't know if you or anyone else have ever felt that way, but if you have, I'd say that you have a lot of support from the moms who've been through what you're going through. And the most important thing is, this is your baby, and it's YOUR special day.

In my opinion, you should make every attempt to go through it in the most enjoyable way possible for you and soak in every second. This is your special day. This will be your special story. I would pray that God's perfect will will be done on that day and proceed forward being led by your heart. Know that you have the support of MANY!! :D God is in charge. It will turn out wonderful!

Joy [welcomewave]

Well... after everything that's been said and done, the deciding has more or less been taken out of my hands because of the low placenta, my Dr does not want me to deliver vaginally - but ALSO what I was told about being cut from navel downwards, he said was absolute RUBBISH (it was a nurse who told me this information). He said I have to have a consultation with the surgeon/obstetrician later on, he will also perform an ultrasound to assess where the placenta is so he doesn't accidently cut it - I was relieved to hear all that information.

As for what other Mum;s say joylynn, I was never worried about them thinking I wasn't into "the true mother experience as such" - I have had people make rude remarks such as "you had a caesarian - WHAT'S WRONG with you?" AND my SIL is staunchly against it, and she makes this known and felt in quite a rude manner.. stupid. I just think they are completely ignorant, and want to criticise other caesarian Mum's and then proceed to mention what an awful experience childbearing was for them (?) so they seem to contradict what they initially said in the first place.

[JoyLynn]

I'm glad you didn't go through as much of the judgement that I did. It's kinda the yuppie thing over here to go totally natural with no drugs or anything. While I have no problem with that and think that natural is best in most cases, some people have to weigh what is best for their bodies and the safety of their babies.

I'm glad you and your doc have come to a decision. That's one less thing to steal your joy. :D

Joy [welcomewave]

[Godzgirl]

Aussie Mum, when I was preg with my second baby (I had c's with all four) I was afraid like you and the others. I was afraid when the doctor would tell me he might let me "try" a vbac. I was afraid I would possibly go through a lot of pain for nothing and end up with another c anyway. But, I was also worried about what other moms might think of me.

I was afraid that all the moms who delivered naturally would think I was taking the easy way out. Well, an easier way WAS being offered to me, even suggested, by my doctor. I was just afraid of what others might think of me. Sometimes moms can be judgemental and think that their way is the best way and that if you don't do things exactly the way they did, that you aren't really participating in the "mom experience".

I don't know if you or anyone else have ever felt that way, but if you have, I'd say that you have a lot of support from the moms who've been through what you're going through. And the most important thing is, this is your baby, and it's YOUR special day.

In my opinion, you should make every attempt to go through it in the most enjoyable way possible for you and soak in every second. This is your special day. This will be your special story. I would pray that God's perfect will will be done on that day and proceed forward being led by your heart. Know that you have the support of MANY!! :D God is in charge. It will turn out wonderful!

Joy [welcomewave]

Sometimes i think that delievering naturally is the easy way out. :lol: Recovering from a c-section is alot harder and more painful.

Oh yeah the el natural thing is trendy here too - and people who have caesarians are called "too posh to push" LOL! If I get that one I'll say "Yeah you got it in one LOL" (why should I have to justify myself by telling everyone my medical problems? :wink: )

Most women go on about el natural until they get there. I probably only know ONE person who was able to go through the whole thing completely drug free and that was awesome for her! I also know of mothers who planned it and in the end they said "if I had've known what it was like I would NEVER..." etc. I also know someone who had drugs for her birth and felt it made it WORSE! But that's it, it's so different FOR EVERYONE. Diversity stops us from being boring I think.

BTW vanessa was it, recovering from a caesarian isn't bad, unless your experience WAS bad? Mine wasn't.

[Godzgirl]

Oh yeah the el natural thing is trendy here too - and people who have caesarians are called "too posh to push" LOL! If I get that one I'll say "Yeah you got it in one LOL" (why should I have to justify myself by telling everyone my medical problems? :wink: )

Most women go on about el natural until they get there. I probably only know ONE person who was able to go through the whole thing completely drug free and that was awesome for her! I also know of mothers who planned it and in the end they said "if I had've known what it was like I would NEVER..." etc. I also know someone who had drugs for her birth and felt it made it WORSE! But that's it, it's so different FOR EVERYONE. Diversity stops us from being boring I think.

BTW vanessa was it, recovering from a caesarian isn't bad, unless your experience WAS bad? Mine wasn't.

I would just take a couple of hours of pain over having to heal from major surgery anyday. That's all. :wink:

[BlessedMommy]

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[Godzgirl]

Oh yeah the el natural thing is trendy here too - and people who have caesarians are called "too posh to push" LOL! If I get that one I'll say "Yeah you got it in one LOL" (why should I have to justify myself by telling everyone my medical problems? :wink: )

Most women go on about el natural until they get there. I probably only know ONE person who was able to go through the whole thing completely drug free and that was awesome for her! I also know of mothers who planned it and in the end they said "if I had've known what it was like I would NEVER..." etc. I also know someone who had drugs for her birth and felt it made it WORSE! But that's it, it's so different FOR EVERYONE. Diversity stops us from being boring I think.

BTW vanessa was it, recovering from a caesarian isn't bad, unless your experience WAS bad? Mine wasn't.

I would just take a couple of hours of pain over having to heal from major surgery anyday. That's all. :wink:

I would have to agree with you, Vanessa. Childbirth may be painful (at least in most cases) but the pain doesn't linger on for weeks afterward like the pain of recovering from surgery would. Of course, I have yet to experience either, so this is theoretical at this point. Frankly, there's not really any "easy" way out generally. Vaginal birth is hard work and C-section is major surgery. Either way, the baby's got to come out!

As far as natural births, I would say that a lot depends on the woman's preparation. Delivering naturally can be done if a woman knows how to handle the pain through relaxation, deep breathing, etc. and has a loving supportive husband walking her through it. I'm currently taking a childbirth class where approximately 85-90% of the grads having a vaginal birth do so without medication. By all means, I would recommend for anyone wanting to go all natural to prepare, prepare, prepare. Just like I would prepare if I couldn't swim and got 9 months notice that I was going to be thrown into deep water! :)

However, having said this, I'll say that I'm very thankful that c-sections exist. I've heard that in the olden days when a baby got stuck due to a mother's mishapen pelvis, the only way to save the mother's life was to kill the baby and pull it out. (I don't want to be any more descript than that, considering the graphic nature of the method used)

There are medical conditions that warrant surgery and thank God we don't have to resort to the methods of the olden days!

I totally agree with you Ruth. With my first pregnancy i went through 17 hours of labor and then had an emergency c-section. My daughters health was at risk and so was mine and that is why i had a c-section. So i'm very thankful for modern day technology and to be able to have c-sections. That is why i ended having a c-section again because my doctor didn't do VBACS.

Oh but isn't it so good that apart from a few stupid comments made by insensitive people we all pretty much can find support for whatever birth is BEST for us and the health and safety of our babies. Like whatever you really desire from a birth experience, there are support groups for each individual ... how do you say it - taste or idea? Although in saying that, things don't always work out as planned !!! We didn't plan to have an emergency caesarian the first time around, that's just how it turned out.

[Beck]

I would have to agree with you, Vanessa. Childbirth may be painful (at least in most cases) but the pain doesn't linger on for weeks afterward like the pain of recovering from surgery would.
Actually, I've heard from friends who had VBACs that delivering naturally was more painful longer than a C-section. My section went great! I didn't have much pain - I was just worried about using my abs. So other than moving veeerrrryyy slowly the first day, I am thoroughly glad I ended up doing a caesarian.

As far as natural births, I would say that a lot depends on the woman's preparation. Delivering naturally can be done if a woman knows how to handle the pain through relaxation, deep breathing, etc. and has a loving supportive husband walking her through it. I'm currently taking a childbirth class where approximately 85-90% of the grads having a vaginal birth do so without medication. By all means, I would recommend for anyone wanting to go all natural to prepare, prepare, prepare. Just like I would prepare if I couldn't swim and got 9 months notice that I was going to be thrown into deep water! :)
Maybe it was just me, but I found out that my delivery was nothing like they described in the books! :lol: Every pregnancy is different, every delivery is different, so I think it's hard to put things in writing as standard when it comes to something so diverse and complicated. If I'm coming across rude, I sincerely apologize...it's so hard to read emotion. I just want to throw it out there not to get too caught up with what books say and know that there will probably be some surprises along the way. :wink:

To answer the topic at hand, I'm going to schedule a caesarian for this second one. I've heard that VBACs are more dangerous. After reading some of the posts, I almost feel like I'm making the wrong decision. It's almost like if I opt for a caesarian as opposed to trying natural birth first, I'm not doing the right thing. I personally think that whether a woman decides to deliver naturally or by caesarian, her decision should be respected for no other reason than that she's choosing life. :)

I don't think you have any need to feel guilty Beck, I mean if doctors are advising you not to undergo a VBAC DESPITE material that says you can have a successful VBAC they obviously know you and your situation better than claims in books and medical material - if you feel they are in the wrong, find a new doctor that will support you - HOWEVER, certainly don't feel convicted by what is important to other mothers to make a decision

I don't mean to sound awful either and if I DO completely blast me but this particular forum on VBAC is for women facing that decision and it's not really about the merits of natural birth vs. caesarian -it's about VBAC which is another situation all together. So it is fine for people to say they would rather recover from a vaginal birth than a caesarian and that is wonderful if you feel that way - but NONE of us had a choice to have a caesarian in the first place and many women also soon find they don't get a choice second time around - and I feel those statements might be a bit insensitive myself. I am trying to say this in love without being harsh, but I did feel that was insensitive.

[BlessedMommy]

I apologize ladies. I wasn't trying to be mean or insensitive. By all means, go what is best for you and your health. Every birth is different and if I need a c-section I will be glad that they exist. I know that usually women wouldn't likely choose a c-section just for the fun of it, so I'm sure that it's a somewhat painful and sensitive discussion topic. Since I'm not facing this particular decision at this particular time, I'll stay out of this thread.

This whole thing reminds me of how infuriated I get when people criticize me for taking steroids for my eczema during pregnancy. I tried and tried and tried to go the natural route for 7 agonizing weeks. It came to the point where it was either take the steroids and stay sane or not function anymore. Often it's a human thing to criticize others when we don't have to walk in their shoes. I see that now. I'm sorry for giving anyone any unneccessary mental grief. You and only you know what you have gone through and what your particular situation.

Please accept my apology.

[cjropher]

I haven't had a c-section for either pregnancy but did hear that doctors are moving away from VBACs now. I don't know all about it but I understand that it depends on the scar and where it is. Like Emma said, in some cases, the scar can rupture. I don't completely understand it but the scar tissue is different and doesn't stretch well with contractions or something. Correct me if I'm wrong.

No you are right about the scar tissue!!! I didn't know ANY of this either until my second pregnancy...

[JeanineAnne]

There is always a chance of a uterus erupting during labor and delivery. This chance increases with each birth (rather c-section or natural). The numbers between the two aren't much different.

Insurance companies are calling the shots on this one. Failed VBAC attempts were fetching lawsuits and doctors just aren't attempting the chance now.

Like I said at the beginning of this thread. I've had a VBAC. I thank God for the ability and chance to have a natural childbirth experience, but to be truthful the recovery time after both my emergency c-section and my scheduled c-section was a lot less then after my VBAC in between.

This debate goes hand in hand with bottlefeeding verses breastfeeding. In both cases you have to make decisions based on what is right for you and your child. Many times these decisions are even out of the mother's hands.

After having almost lost my sister and nephew a week ago during childbirth, I would be sadden by anyone having the stance of natural only (although she didn't have a c-section, she didn't actually deliver her own child-there wasn't enough time to get her to the OR). There hasn't been a day that hasn't went by in the last week that I have not praised God for the modern technology and wisdom we have for childbirth now. And even with all the knowledge the raw fact is that women and children die everyday in modern hopsitals somewhere in this world by giving birth.

[JoyLynn]

Well said, Jeanine! :)


Joy [welcomewave]

[minniejo]

My first baby was born by C-section and the next 4 were natural. Then my last little one was C-section again. I would be more than happy to chat with anyone considering or wondering about VBAC.

I have never been faced with a C section or VBAC.. but I totally understand why women who have to face this are so unsure whether they should try a VBAC or not. None of us want to risk our childs safety/life or our own. There are risks with VBACs and I wouldn't judge anyone for choosing another C Section. I know I'd be just as worried/concerned.
There are doctors who will do VBACs but it's solely up to the mother... and of course if your doctor WON'T do a VBAC then you have to find one that will. That must be a pain.
It's like circumcision... a LOT of doctors won't do them now. It's hard to find a doctor in NZ and Australia that will.

FWIW I would choose vaginal over C Section too but I've never experienced a C Section so I don't know what it's like... with recovery and pain etc... I didn't feel like my insides would fall out though... (after delivering Abby vaginally) and I had no pain afterwards... only stinging "down there" when going to the toilet. And the afterpains that are normal because your uterus is going back to it's normal size. You would get that after having a C Section anyway right? You just take Panadol for it and it only lasts like a few days ...
I didn't attend any birthing classes though and didn't even use any breathing technique when I had Abby and I still delivered her without drugs and had no tears at all. I think it's just different for each person. We all have different pain tolerance levels. I am doing it again naturally. I have also heard a few moms say that if they knew how painful it was they would have got an epidural. And I've also heard moms say that it wasn't that bad and when you're holding that baby in your arms the memories just melt away. KWIM That's how I felt. Yes it was painful but it was tolerable and once I was holding Abby I was like "what was I so scared about?!" LOL It was nothing for me...
I will ask my midwife to use forceps or ventouse before I will even let them do a C Section... because I HATE needles and I am terrified of having an operation. :shock:

Aussiemum... in your personal situation (you said you have a low lying placenta right?) I think a C Section is a good idea... not to say you couldn't do a VBAC but I definitely would not call you a "too posh to push" woman for that choice. KWIM

[Cristina]

So glad I found this thread! I'm starting to look ahead for when our next little biscuit is in the oven. Ds was a c-section, not exactly planned but not an emergency either. He was measuring big pretty early on and I have a very small frame, so I always had in the back of my mind that a c-section was a possibility, but I really wanted to go natural and drug free. By about 32 weeks along my doc said that ds was already measuring about 6lbs (and I was 100% sure of the dates) so he said if I didn't go into labor by 38 weeks he would induce me so I could have a vaginal birth...well he had to cover at a different office toward the end of my pregnancy so the doctor I got stuck with (whom I never really liked anyway) kept putting off inducing me. WELL, but time I got to see my doctor I was 2 weeks past my due date and absolutely huge! Ds was measuring about 9.5lbs and labor was nowhere in sight, so my doctor schedule me for c-section for the following week (the O.R, was booked solid). So I had the c-section and not too difficult of a recovery. But now when I think about having another baby I get the willies thinking about being cut open (even though I've already been through it) and I still feel like I was robbed of something by never experiencing labor and delivery. The c-section itself was scary but not awful, but the hospital experience itself was pretty cruddy and I had a very hard time bonding with ds for the first couple of weeks:cry: :cry:

I really want a VBAC, but that limits my options because midwives cannot attend a VBAC in my state :cry: , so I have a choice between an unassisted homebirth or a hospital VBAC. The c-section rate is about 33% in my state, so doctors are a bit scalpel-happy here.

I've heard about "preparing for a VBAC" but what exactly does that entail?

Do you have to be induced?

I've heard that you have to have an epidural; is that true?

[JeanineAnne]

Hi Cristina!!

I will do my best to answer your questions based on my personal experience :)

I've heard about "preparing for a VBAC" but what exactly does that entail?
I didn't have to prepare for anything. You do need to make sure that your initial c-section cut (the inside one on the uterus) is the right one.

Do you have to be induced?
No, I didn't.

I've heard that you have to have an epidural; is that true?
No, I didn't. I went completely natural for my middle son. I will never have another epidural after my first child. The cord kinked during the transfer between the bed and the OR table. So, I wasn't numb for my first c-section. Which was scary enough because it was an emergency c-section after an unusually long labor. Plus I was only 23 years old and scared out of my mind. My third child was c-section and I actually opted for a spinal.

I would shop early for a doctor that will do a VBAC. There are still some out there and if you can find them, they are a gem. You really want the support of your hubby and doctor on this one. People (especially hopsital staff) can be pretty doom and gloom when it comes to VBACs.

Hope this helped :)

[Cristina]

Awesome, thank you!

[buttercup_97140]

Cristina,
I am just curious, how big did your baby turn out to be? I had a 9lb 11oz-er at home, drug free, but I am pretty big, and well, we are built like horses in our family, hips included, so I could probably shoot out a 20lb-er and be fine...LOL!

I can't imagine how hard it would be to have to decide on a VBAC or repeat c-section. Yes, doctors like to stay away from liability issues and so they "push" the "surefire" way of delivery to make their lives easiest, but I know there are true risks to VBACs. I do know that even if you end up with another c-sec, laboring is really good for your baby. Being in labor makes your baby produce surfactant more than if they were a scheduled c-sec, but so many babies are born by c now, and do really well, but I guess it can be just "that much better" KWIM?

We may be looking at a c-sec with Noah, our son we are pg with, because of all his defects. I think they will let me deliver him vag, but since, as of now, we are going to try and have the doctors stabilize him and see if he responds, they will be closely monitoring him, and if his vitals go down at all, they will probably take him ASAP.....but I think I would try a VBAC after him if I did have a c. I was one who had an awesome labor and birth, yes it was "painful" but I was in water the whole time, and it totally helped. Yes I tore, and it sometimes still "bothers" me, but the experience I had feeling my baby coming out of me because I was working so hard to get her here, was amazing, and totally worth it. That doesn't mean it invalidates anyone elses birth...by no means....KWIM? Any just for the record, I have a VERY low pain tollerance, except for giving birth...weird, but true...LOL!

I pray you all are blessed with clear answers from the Lord as to your births...he knows how these beautiful babies will be born already...and that's such a comfort!

Blessings to you all!
Amber

[Cristina]

He ended up being just a hair shy of 9lbs...kinda big for a mama who's the size of your average 11 year old :lol: .

I pray that all goes well for you and baby!

[buttercup_97140]

An 11 year old...... :lol: Wow, 9lbs is huge for a little gal like you!! Maybe your next one will be a wee 6lber!

Thanks for the well wishes!

Amber