Hello ladies...okay, not looking for a debate here, we have had the 'this is why I do or don't give shots talk'....LOL....just needing any personal advice from experience if you've ever delt with this after shots!

My Owie just had his 15 month shots, he has never had a bad reaction or really much of any reaction to mention, He got his 4th of the HIB and the DTaP shots...neither of which have given him any issues before. Yesterday when he got his shots in his leg, he wailed like nothing which is not usual...he usually is pretty okay with them and barely cries, but he really hooped it up yesterday and was melancholy from moment one of getting them...then yesterday afternoon he spike a 102.6 temp and it has run 101 to 102.5 ever since even with Motrin before the shots and consistently afterwards.....he is either sobbing and unconsolable or in a fitful sleep since yesterday late afternoon (he got the shot at 10:30)....today, he acts like his leg is sore and weak and hard to walk/stand on or push up on...but there is no swelling/redness/hardness/or heat next to the injection at all.....here's my question....ever had a kiddo get a shot that went too deep into the muscle and caused the pain? If so, any tips to relieve the pain?
**note: He is also breaking in all 4 first molars this week, so he isn't happy about that as well and the third one is breaking the surface this morning!**
(Yes, I'm calling the Dr. when they open! LOL...they just aren't open yet!) Thanks for any tips to help him, I am a little concerned about his reaction to this, but I know the Dr. will just say soreness and fussiness and temps are normal and to wait with the motrin some more, so I thought I'd get some real life advice from Moms!

Oh, my goodness, how scary! I will be praying for your little man. You can look up the ingredients on the CDC website, is it possible that he has developed an allergy to one of them?

Although that leaves me scratching my head why he didn't have that reaction in the past. Go figure!

Could be a reaction or could be the first time he could give a controlled reaction.

With molars cutting, allergy season starting, flus/colds with the changing weather running rampant....it could be anything which makes it harder to pin point down whether it is a reaction or not.

Unfortunately, most people's opinions on whether or not you should be doing vaxs will color their thoughts on what is going on :(

Calling your doctor is the best thing. Luckily the fever isn't too high though. Praying he is feeling better quickly!

I agree I would definately call the Dr. just to let them know and they can note it in his file. I ditto what Jeanine said with so much ick going around and cutting the molars on top it could just be a combination of all of that. Be safe and just call the Dr. Praying little guy gets to feeling better. Hugs to you to mom....

I don't have any advice but I'll be praying your little guy feels better soon!

Praying for him. That would be so scary. ((((((hugs))))))

Timmy has had temps, but nothing more. I'm glad your calling the doctor, and I hope he feels better soon.

Breezy which DTAP shot did he get? There are two kids: Daptacel and Infanrix.

The Daptacel contains Casamino acid which is derived from milk. Don't know if that could be a problem to allergic kids though, because of the way that it is processed and broken down by enzymes.

Casamino acid

(Science: biochemistry) The group of amino acids which results when casein, a protein found in milk, is broken down by enzymes.

Hello ladies...okay, not looking for a debate here, we have had the 'this is why I do or don't give shots talk'....LOL....just needing any personal advice from experience if you've ever delt with this after shots!

My Owie just had his 15 month shots, he has never had a bad reaction or really much of any reaction to mention, He got his 4th of the HIB and the DTaP shots...neither of which have given him any issues before. Yesterday when he got his shots in his leg, he wailed like nothing which is not usual...he usually is pretty okay with them and barely cries, but he really hooped it up yesterday and was melancholy from moment one of getting them...then yesterday afternoon he spike a 102.6 temp and it has run 101 to 102.5 ever since even with Motrin before the shots and consistently afterwards.....he is either sobbing and unconsolable or in a fitful sleep since yesterday late afternoon (he got the shot at 10:30)....today, he acts like his leg is sore and weak and hard to walk/stand on or push up on...but there is no swelling/redness/hardness/or heat next to the injection at all.....here's my question....ever had a kiddo get a shot that went too deep into the muscle and caused the pain? If so, any tips to relieve the pain?
**note: He is also breaking in all 4 first molars this week, so he isn't happy about that as well and the third one is breaking the surface this morning!**
(Yes, I'm calling the Dr. when they open! LOL...they just aren't open yet!) Thanks for any tips to help him, I am a little concerned about his reaction to this, but I know the Dr. will just say soreness and fussiness and temps are normal and to wait with the motrin some more, so I thought I'd get some real life advice from Moms!

The things that really stick out to me are the unconsoleable crying with high fever and the pain and weakness in his leg. Because of the timing of the events, I'd say that its not a coincidence, and that they probably are because of the vax...maybe teething is making it worse, but the way you describe the sitch, he was not like that before the shot, but was afterwards, so...it really sounds like the shots. Those are NOT normal reactions to vax's, so when you talk to your doc, remember that, and don't back down if he tells you that's all normal.

According to the CDC's info on DTAP, the problems you're describing happen more often after the 4th and 5th dosages than before....I didn't know that. Here's there info, I'll underline it for clarity and give you the link to their page at the end

Mild Problems (Common)

Fever (up to about 1 child in 4)
Redness or swelling where the shot was given (up to about 1 child in 4)
Soreness or tenderness where the shot was given (up to about 1 child in 4)

These problems occur more often after the 4th and 5th doses of the DTaP series than after earlier doses.

Sometimes the 4th or 5th dose of DTaP vaccine is followed by swelling of the entire arm or leg in which the shot was given, for 1 to 7 days (up to about 1 child in 30).

Other mild problems include:

Fussiness (up to about 1 child in 3)
Tiredness or poor appetite (up to about 1 child in 10)
Vomiting (up to about 1 child in 50)
These problems generally occur 1 to 3 days after the shot.

Moderate Problems (Uncommon)

Seizure (jerking or staring) (about 1 child out of 14,000)
Non-stop crying, for 3 hours or more (up to about 1 child out of 1,000)
High fever, 105 degrees Fahrenheit or higher (about 1 child out of 16,000)

Severe Problems (Very Rare)

Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses) Several other severe problems have been reported after DTaP vaccine. These include:

Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
Permanent brain damage. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm#dtap (I emboldened that 2nd chunk of stuff about 4th and 5th doses , but the rest was emboldened by the cdc's.)

The unconsoleable crying is actually one of the "moderate" problems listed, and I believe that from other research I've done regarding the issue, that it can be a sign of brain swelling, so you'll want to make sure you mention that one to the doc. Hopefully though, he's not having that anymore this morning, but even so, you need to tell the doc about it.

Those are what's called adverse reactions. Those need to be reported to VAERS, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. That system is put in place to help track events like your son's so that there is better knowlege about the side effects of the vaccines.

Some doctors don't like reporting events to VAERS. I don't know for sure why, but when your child has something happen like this, you need to insist that the doctor reports it to VAERS. If the doc won't report it, then I believe you can report it instead. Here's the web address so you can check it out for yourself: http://vaers.hhs.gov/

Just for reference, I'm not actually a complete non-vaxer, even though it might sound like it, but we do selectively vax, so there are a few that we don't do at all.

I am seeing the post for the first time and just wondering how he is doing? Breezy, I would call his health care provider and describe what is going on. Maybe you have already done that! I don't really have any other advice, praying he feels better soon!

I also think it sounds too much like a bad reaction. Yes, he may be teething, making him even more irritable, but, this just sounds pretty 'rough'. I'd suggest you be VERY persistent with the Dr. Don't let them just blow it off as a common, acceptable reaction. You know your child best. You know how he was behaving before the shot. You know how he behaves while teething. You know how he has behaved after shots in the past. Definitely let the office know of everything you have noticed and be sure it gets in the files. Keep contact with them. Be obnoxious about getting the answers you deserve and *need* right now.

Just saying all that 'in case' they try to blow it off. Not saying for sure they will or anything. Hopefully they'll be all over figuring this out.

Keep us up to date will ya?

They have late hours today and open at 12, so I am watching the clock to call with symptom list....
Ruth, I had no idea about the milk thing and with his allergy we've discussed, that is very interesting, I will check it out....great tip!
Mo2b1d, what great info you posted for me! I didn't know the harder reactions to DTaP could occur more likely after the 4th and 5th! It is his fourth...

He slept finally and threw up once while sleeping and just now woke up....he at least isn't crying right now and he is walking around, just being "tender" on the leg when he bends...so both are good signs...the fever is down to 99.5 now too for the first time since yesterday at 2pm, so maybe he is on the upswing! I'll keep ya posted after I talk to the Dr. today! Thanks for the prayers and words of wisdom gals! Sendin' hugs!

Oh, sorry, Breezy there's actually 3 types of DTap shots. The third is called Tripedia. (But the Daptacel is still the only one with the casamino acids) Other than that, there's DTap combo shots, but I think that you stated that it was a DTap shot by itself.

Anyway, something to look into, to see if the doctor could have given him different DTap shots at different visits.

KUP!

I agree with pp i would call the Dr. and ask what would be considered a normal reaction to a vaccine and what wouldn't be and let them now what symptoms he is having. Praying for your little guy! Keep us posted plz! ((HUGS))

Breezy, just seeing this thread and hoping the little guy is doing better by now. I'd continue to watch him REALLY closely and inisist that the doc f/u. If there is any question of an allergic reaction I'd try to get to the bottom of it and would think really carefully about his next round of similiar shots. I'm thinking off the top of my head that he won't need DTaP #5 for a while, can't remember about the Hib. Not sure what his sleeping arrangements are but if it were my child I would keep him close during naps and at night until the symptoms are gone entirely. I've heard some scary stories about reaction symptoms getting worse quickly.

Hugs and prayers being sent your way! Please do keep us updated.

Bree just catching this too, praying for you little guy. Sorry no bad reactions with my guys to offer any wisdom, all 5 had their regularly scheduled shots with little side effects other than slight fever and restless sleeping for a few days.

Praying sweetie!

Beth, I agree...if my kiddos are sick at all...they co-sleep with us until well (he just moved to his crib at 14 months from always co-sleeping with us anyway, so he's used to it!)....he also naps in the same room in his playpen so I can watch him and monitor him everyday! Great ideas!

I called the Dr. and they said since the fever is dropping (now 99 instead of 102) and he is moving around better now and less cranky over the last couple hours....to just keep monitoring him and to alternate tylenol and motrin every 3 hours to help with the achiness/fussiness due to the shots/teething....If he isn't better by tommorrow afternoon, to call back....

He is better this afternoon compared to yesterday and this morning though, so I am hopeful he just had a tough time at first and compounded with the teething was a hard time....next time I intend to be careful though and request the "one shot at a time" from here on out method....even if it takes longer, I want to error on the side of caution. I'll keep monitoring him and contact the Dr. again if anything changes or persists......they said the fever/vomiting/achiness/fussiness/soreness was typical, although if it continued at that level for more than 72 hours it could be an issue...so just waiting it out now and watching him for progress and keeping him as comfortable as possible!

He is better this afternoon compared to yesterday and this morning though, so I am hopeful he just had a tough time at first and compounded with the teething was a hard time....next time I intend to be careful though and request the "one shot at a time" from here on out method....even if it takes longer, I want to error on the side of caution. I'll keep monitoring him and contact the Dr. again if anything changes or persists......they said the fever/vomiting/achiness/fussiness/soreness was typical, although if it continued at that level for more than 72 hours it could be an issue...so just waiting it out now and watching him for progress and keeping him as comfortable as possible!

I'm glad he's feeling better!

I'd caution you though, to keep a very close eye on him and perhaps do some more looking in to the issue on your own. Your doc.s statement isn't entirely correct, if you gauge it against the cdc's info regarding side effects in that link from before. #1. vomitting is NOT a typical side effect as the CDC's info says that it occurs normally in only 1 child out of 50, and #2. the unconsoleable crying supposedly only occurs in 1 child out of 1000.

At the very least, those reactions need to be reported to VAERS so that the cdc gets the correct info in their records regarding how often those side effects really are happening, especially if your doctor sees those reactions on a more regular basis. If he thinks its typical because he sees it alot, then the cdc definitely needs to know about it so they can update the info that they put out accordingly.

Great breezy, sounds like you're on the right track! Sure must have been a nerve-racking couple of days.

Glad to hear he is finally feeling better :) Praying for continued improvement!

Glad to hear he's doing better. :-D Will continue to pray that he will be 100% better real soon!

I'm glad he's feeling better. When mine get shots I take wintergreen rubbing alcohol (the green kind) and rub down their little legs. Not hard but firm. My grandma told me to do this when my first got shots to help with the soreness.

Thanks for all of the prayers and pain relief ideas and shot info posted! My Owen woke up his "old ornery and bubbly Owie-self" this morning! His fever is gone and he's movin' around great...and a LOT, like normal and happy again! Yay!
I am glad he didn't have any severe issues, but the last couple of days worried me for sure...to be careful, we will for sure go the one shot at a time routine from this point on with him to be extra cautious.

Good! What a relief

I'm glad your little guy is feeling better!

Just as FYI - anyone can report reactions to VAERS themselves - a doctor doesn't have to do it, & rarely does. It's important that any reaction gets reported so they can have accurate information about all reactions. :-)

https://secure.vaers.org/VaersDataEntryintro.htm

I am so glad to hear he is back to his old self.......PTL [clapping]

So glad he's feeling all better now! :mrgreen: