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PianoMama
10-29-2007, 02:12 PM
Wondering what your thoughts are on this article...??



Lie to Your Children - It's Good For Them!

While most literary sleuths are busy trying to discern whether and how Jessica (Mrs. Jerry) Seinfeld plagiarized recipes from a similar cookbook by Missy Chase Lapine, I say: a plague on both their houses. Both propose a culinary scheme that is, basically, totally stupid, to say nothing of dishonest. Seinfeld's Deceptively Delicious and Lapine's The Sneaky Chef advo cate tricking kids into eating their fruits and, mostly, their veggies by pureeing them and oozing them into acknowledged goodies. Think mushes of cauliflower, squash, spinach, and avocado leaked into brownies, chocolate pudding, lasagna, macaroni and cheese, and grilled cheese sandwiches. Even hot cocoa, to which Seinfeld wants you to add mashed sweet potatoes; Lapine advises cherry juice.

The twin major flaws in this faulty reasoning, are that, first, children get the wrong message that sweets and starches are good for them. After all, if you tell your offspring to stop eating brownies, he might not get enough iron via spinach. With the dangerous rise of childhood obesity and diabetes, do we really want to encourage the eating of sugars and starches? And, ultimately, and more seriously perhaps, lying to children via trickery ”even for their own good" can feed a lifetime of distrust, as it should. I wonder how these undercover mothers keep their secrets. Are children locked out of the kitchens at cooking time, lest they see Mommy slipping pureed zucchini into their beloved mac 'n' cheese?

A second problem raised by this hide-the-veggies duo is the invisibility of vegetables in their own recognizable forms. As a result, children are not afforded the opportunity to get used to the idea of trying and learning about them. Nor will they consider them necessary for good health. I'll admit that getting a kid to down peas, string beans, or broccoli that he or she hates can be a discouraging chore. In this I speak from experience as the mother of a son who, until about the age of 14, hated all vegetables, except potatoes, corn, and raw carrot sticks and who once declared that the only edible green food was green noodles. Deciding not to turn every meal into a contest, I began only offering him small portions of those he liked, along with peeled, sliced pears, apples, peaches, and other seasonal fruits that he substituted for veggies.

Another great favorite with him (as with most children I know) was authentic (no funny business) olive-oil-based Italian tomato sauce, either with or without meat. Simmered with onion, finely diced carrot, and garlic that disappeared into an amalgam in the cooking, combined with a generous tossing of minced Italian parsley added in the last few seconds, that sauce gave him considerable vegetable credits. And I did not always serve this over starchy pasta, but ladled it over meatballs, chicken, fish, or finally, as it is often served in southern Italy, over broccoli, the first green vegetable I remember him eating (and liking) until one magical day he suddenly seemed to like almost all.

Therein lies a solution no more demanding than what is required in either of these stealth cookbooks - namely, coming up with recipes that don't force vegetables to masquerade as treats, presenting them in forms that appeal to young palates. Instead of compromising lasagna, or tuna fish, or mashed potatoes with strongly flavored cauliflower, why not Japanese tempura or Italian fritto misto versions of cauliflower florets and other cut-up vegetables? Kids seem to love anything fried and crisp; fortunately, careful, quick frying at the right temperature in light vegetable oil minimizes the health dangers of that cooking method. (A thought: Given the overpowering flavor and aroma of cauliflower, any kid who can't tell it lurks in macaroni and cheese or mashed potatoes may have a sensory development problem worth looking into.)

Both of these books also suggest what seems to be unnecessary trickery, most notably with sweet potatoes. Never have I fed a child who didn't love them, whether baked and dabbed with butter and salt, or lightly candied with an orange juice-honey glaze, or, since we are talking sweet, under a mantle of melting marshmallows as an annual Thanksgiving treat. Why have them muck up grilled cheese sandwiches, as both authors recommend, or, even worse, add a yuck factor to hot cocoa?

In the end, I suppose one has to ask an even more basic que! stion: D o vegetables treated as prescribed and in the amounts indicated by Seinfeld-the-Deceptive and Lapine-the-Sneak really add enough nutrients to a child's diet to make the plotting and pureeing worthwhile? How valuable can one half-cup of spinach puree and one half-cup of carrot puree be when they are first cooked, then are again subjected to the heat of baking, finally to be divided among 12 brownies? And can there be any meaningful nutrition from a quarter-cup each of carrot and sweet potato puree divided amongst 10 portions of soup?

To answer this, I sought the advice of Marion Nestle, a professor of nutrition at New York University and the author of What To Eat. "Philosophically and practically, this is not really an effective approach," she said. "It will not develop an appreciation of the flavors, textures, and interests of various vegetables, which is what you should try to do by introducing them over and over again until they catch on."

As to the nutritional worth of such cooked and recooked vegetables, in miniscule amounts, Dr. Nestle first chuckled wildly and then answered, "All you can do is laugh."

Mimi Sheraton, a former New York Times food critic, is the author of Eating My Words: An Appetite for Life, among other books.

~Tara~
10-29-2007, 02:32 PM
I only skimmed the article...children await lunch...

But..I will say that I am not at all fond of the whole 'sneaking veggies in where you can' idea. I just don't dig it.

What's wrong with just serving them up in different ways? Teaching kids to like them?? Serve the veggies as they are intended and the kids will often grow to like if not LOVE them. But how will they ever know if they're constantly being disguised? And I don't think the amount 'eeked' in there is really going to be enough to amount to any true nutritional value. I just don't see it happening.

Me, I don't fret over my kids eating veggies. Maybe because I'm not a huge veggie fan myself. But I do try them again from time to time and expect my children to do the same. Having done such, all of my children now LOVE green beans. I didn't puree them into any brownies or cookies. I just continued to present green beans with our meals and they were expected to eat a couple of bites. Before I knew it, they were devouring their portions and asking for MORE. Same can be said for salad. Even withOUT being covered in sugar laden dressings. Not allowed in my house. And we have raw spinach in our salads. There's a huge difference between cooked spinach and raw spinach. Maybe just try giving more veggies RAW and that will be the trick in getting kids to eat more. My kids, nor I, care for the taste/texture of cooked carrots. Yet they will eat an entire 2# bag in one sitting if I leave them to it. Raw is the only way I will eat carrots as well. And celery..raw, not cooked.

The closest we get to 'hiding' foods is that tri-colored pasta. LOL I had to tell them the green ones were made with spinach. They just thought they were cool green ones. After I told them...they just said 'oh' and continued eating.

Just scanned back up and saw this:
"It will not develop an appreciation of the flavors, textures, and interests of various vegetables, which is what you should try to do by introducing them over and over again until they catch on."


Yep yep, I totally agree : )

And that's all I have to say about that :~p

rachel
10-29-2007, 02:47 PM
I reviewed the sneaky chef (and posted this:http://www.christian-mommies.com/ageless/physical-education-and-sports/hiding-healthy-foods-in-kids-meals/), and honestly I like ideas such as putting baby spinach in brownies, or using healthy mixes for coatings. I put baby spinach in a lot of things now. My mom used to put shredded carrots in my PB&J, and zuchinni (ewww! green!) in the spaghetti sauce. And since I keep hearing supplements may not all be absorbed as well as suggested, packing whatever we can into meals seems smart.

And I am pretty sure both authors recommend still serving the vegetables, at least it seems like a no-brainer. Some of the more bitter veggies really do taste disgusting to little ones, because they have thousands (or tens of thousands?) more taste buds than adults do. And in nature, bitter often = poison. God's way of protecting little gatherers. So if those especially hated ones can be hidden in family favourites, all the better imo.

I think the "sneaky" aspect is more a gimmick. I doubt my mom thought she was "lying" to me by putting veggies in my peanut butter. And I don't think she was. When we serve whole wheat pasta or bread, and they can't tell, is it lying? I had to sneak pills in cheese to my dog-- was that bad? Maybe the gimmickey part has rubbed some potential readers the wrong way.

If it bothers ya'll, I can remove Lapine's artile.

kanaclark
10-29-2007, 03:32 PM
what cooked is whats eaten, how it's cooked is how it's eaten, and if you don't like it, you're more than welcome to go to bed hungry, or naptime, if it's lunch, I have better things to do than puree veggies into things. If they eat, they eat, if they don't, they're either stubborn or not hungry. It'll all work out in the end. :-)

meg
10-29-2007, 05:03 PM
I have no problem with finely shredded or pureed veggies being added into foods for extra nutrient content, but personally I would stick to adding them into foods they "belong" with. In other words, I wouldn't be putting spinach in brownies, but I do put both finely shredded zucchini and carrot into my bolognese sauce. The reason it's finely shredded? Simply for aesthetic reasons - I think the sauce "looks" nicer without huge gobs of zucchini and carrot in there. Do my kids know it's in there? Yep, and they eat it anyway. It's not finely shredded to "hide" it from them.

I have, when they were younger, not told them the exact ingredients of a meal until they tried it. Simply because, as with a lot of young kids, they didn't like the idea of a particular food. However, once they tried it, I would tell them what was in it, and add on "and see, you do like it". To which they would 9 times out of 10 respond "Yeah, it's really good mum."

GenLovesDen4ever
10-30-2007, 06:21 AM
I personally dont have a problem with adding pureed veg or fruit into different things they already like. It doesnt always work. Sometimes I will hold off telling them its in there until they try it and love it or hate it. I love the idea. Im not sure how spinach in my brownies would go down but I actually think that if its finely chopped beyond recognition, not cooked first then cooked again. It might be ok. I like the idea. I think its about changing our idea of what goes into a meal. If I dont have any veg to go with the meal Ill cut up some fruit for them. I grew up eating food loaded with sugar. I dont want my kids to think thats normal. Im looking for alternatives and sometimes pureed fruit is just as sweet as adding a cup of sugar! I do not see the reason behind the almost scathing article. I think its a great idea to experiment with new ideas when it comes to food. I dont force my kids to eat the veg they dont like. I know that one day they will grow out of the fussiness anyway.

gen

Madre
10-30-2007, 08:25 AM
I must admit, I puree tomatoes to almost chunklessness for soups.

kymommy
10-30-2007, 09:04 AM
I think you can have the best of both worlds. I think it's okay to sneak in a few veggies and offer them at meals. I know it may seem overkill, but that way, your kiddos get the veggie's in their diet, while you are waiting for them to develop the maturity and taste buds to like veggies for themselves. My oldest (11) know eats a great balanced diet with lots of veggie's including a lot of raw veggies (as long as their is Ranch dressing around) My youngest has a feeding tube so her diet is not an issue. But when my oldest was younger, I would put veggies in the spagettie sauce. One thing I did, that we all still like is spinach in my meatloaf.
I think as kids mature they tend to eat more veggies and things they aren't as crazy about just because they know it's good for them. But you don't want them to go through the toddler and early years with out the nutrition in veggies so a little sneaking in early I thing is okay, as long as veggies are still offered at meals and encouraged to be be eaten in their natural form.

Madre
11-21-2007, 08:34 AM
I recently read about Jessica Seinfeld's book and thought this part of her site was interesting:

http://www.deceptivelydelicious.com/site/about-the-author.php

luvmy4sons
11-21-2007, 09:42 AM
I recently read about Jessica Seinfeld's book and thought this part of her site was interesting:

http://www.deceptivelydelicious.com/site/about-the-author.php

Thanks for that link. It provides some perspective. When you have extremely picky eaters you do what you gotta do! :???: It's funny how someone can be so quickly villianized even with the very best of intentions.

I also find it interesting that other mothers would CARE what another mother feeds her children. It made me smile as I read the article because I remember feeling that way when I was younger with small children. I would sit around with my friends and we would make these comments that were disguised criticisms of another mother's way of doing things. I don't know why, but I remember feeling a need to make her choices look not as good as MY choices for my children. Maybe it was because I was so insecure as to what I was doing. I don't know. I remember saying things like, "Oh. YOU don't actually heat the milk in the microwave, do you? Well, I am simply too afraid of those hot pockets I hear you can get when using a microwave. I always use simply hot running water to heat mine!" [whatwacko]

It was so crazy that I did that. Funny thing is I can still find myself doing that, even though I am so much more aware of it and wrok very hard NOT to do that. "You're not going to have your daughter take the SAT? Hmmm...well, maybe it is because I have sons, but my oldest took the SAT twice!" In then end we all love our children and do what we think is best for them. That's the way I see it. Hiding vegetables in recipes seems pretty harmless. Was never my choice, likely wouldn't be if I started over again now, but for some it could just be the answer they were looking for! :-D

Rach
11-23-2007, 09:26 AM
I don't think it's lying. They don't ask, and I never go over a list of ingredients before I serve dinner, so why would I tell them I am putting )) into their food.

I always make cakes with applesauce instead of oil. It's something I learned to cut down on fat. We get plenty of fat from other things.
I sprinkle flax seed into things, I chop veggies and put them into things. Part of it is for me. I know I should get 5 a day and sometimes it's hard to do that! I also want my family to eat 5 a day fruits and veggies. We talk about it. I try to help them understand having a balanced diet. As children get older, they are able to make choices because they understand nutrition, but in the meantime, I have a toddler that only eats one good meal a day, if we're lucky, and so, yes, I try to pack it as full of goodness as I can.

I also am a huge fan of the Harvest Surprise juice. It tastes good, and it has fruits and veggies in it!

Another great dessert type thing we have often is chocolate carrot cake. It has carrots and mandarin oranges - fruits and veggies... wahooooo! And it's super delicious. The oranges make it very moist.

The last thing is, they see me cooking, they see me chopping and whatever. It's not like it's a secret thing I try to hide. It's just me trying to be the best mom I can be.

BlessedMommy
01-07-2008, 09:37 AM
I agree with Rach, I really don't see a problem in adding extra nutrition to things that you're already eating. I would see a problem with feeding your kids extra brownies, though, so that they can get their iron via spinach, [rofl]. Seriously, though, who would do that anyway? I agree with the principle of trying to make sure the veggies are as fresh as possible, I would imagine that twice cooked would have a lot less value than the original product.

In my house, we don't make many things that stuff can be hidden in. Hiding spinach in brownies or zucchini in mac 'n cheese only works if you eat brownies or mac 'n cheese, lol. But I do like adding different goodies in my DD's smoothies. Generally she just eats fruits and veggies as is.