when I get upset I read lol(mostly bible) but one time was reading about m/cs and then found a comment that talked about soy isoflavones and clomid and then it lead to all kinds of research lol anyways wanted to share, of course soy isoflavones will cause infertility if you take everyday but research has found that if you take it at the beginning of your cycle on days cd1-5, or 2-6 or 3-7 or 5-9, no longer than 5 days and no later than cd9 they say it works like clomid does, you need to take 80- 160mg and even found one site saying you could take as much as 200mgs, but any ways thought I would share if any having ovulation problems or short lp it will help :)

http://www.justmommies.com/getting-pregnant/fertility-medications-and-natural-supplements/soy-isoflavones-natural-alternative-t


Soy Isoflavones" is a natural plant derived phytoestrogen (phyto means plant), which is an anti-estrogen, just like Clomid. Both are known as SERMs (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators). It works by fooling your brain into thinking its estrogen levels are low. This causes your body to reslease more FSH & LH which helps stimulate follicle production (same as Clomid). You take Soy Isoflavones, like Clomid, on CD 1-5 or 2-6, or 3-7 or 5-9. It is not thought to cause infertility if it is only taken for 5 days a month. There is not much published information available on it regarding TTC, because it is "natural", not patented by the pharmaceutical companies, and not FDA approved. Most doctors will also not recommend it for this reason.

Recently, many women on FertilityFriend.com have been taking 150-160mg a day for 5 days at the beginning of the menstrual cycle (on days previously mentioned). Side effects reported are similar to Clomid. These vary from increased number of headaches to hot flashes. It has been suggested that taking the dosage before bedtime lessens the side effects.


and I also read that having too much soy in your diet could delay ovulation or cause infertility but that was off of a blog I havent looked into that but does kind of make sense, anyways thought I would share :)

Do not take with vitex

any idea if this can only be used temp like clo?

I used soy a couple of months. I am not sure if you can use it long term. It did make me "o" a couple of days sooner than normal the times I took it. I always read the TCOYF forum to get ideas and researched from there. There are lots of people trying things in the alternative threads. :grin:

http://www.tcoyf.com/forums/56.aspx

http://www.tcoyf.com/forums/t/3305.aspx

I read to ONLY do it for 5 days in your cycle no later than cd9 so cd5-cd9 is the last window to take it in and not take it more days because it could actually cause you not to ovulate, but I think I read on a forum that to do it for 6mos and then take a break, but don't know because that was someone opinion, I read that some believe its better than clomid because clomid is known to dry up cm and cm is what will help the sperm and you conceive, so a lot of women who take clomid take muccinex or robitussin to cause more cm but with soy isoflavones it actually increases your cm, I don't know but it sounded like something I would like to try lol vitamin E is good to help outer parts of egg and helps implantation, vitamin b6 helps lengthen your lp and keeps progesterone levels up but must be taken entire 1st trimester, and folic acid(up to 4000mcg) is supposed to help good egg quality plus help against birth defects(most prenatals only have 800mcg of folic acid), all good for ttcing moms :)

ah, I mean cycle after cycle. When I was on clomid the dr told me it would eventually lose it's effectiveness so we'd only do it 6 cycles at the time.

..... but I think I read on a forum that to do it for 6mos and then take a break....

So I guess its just like clomid idk :), I have read where you treat it just like clomid except for the dosage you have to take more soy