I haven't seen any threads discussing this yet, so I thought I'd throw it out there. We have been healthy so far. Vaccinations are happening here now, but the lineups are horrendous. Dh and I don't normally get the flu vaccine, but we are still having a debate over what to do with this. I feel like the information I have been able to access is so biased toward one side or the other, I'm having trouble feeling like I can make an educated decision. I have family members who both adamantly refuse to have anything to do with them, and those who insist we all must.

To complicate matters, I think I actually may have had H1N1 in June. It just wasn't diagnosed. So I'm still trying to figure this all out. Any thoughts out there?

(Not sure if this thread will need to go controversial, if it does that's fine. I just wanted to have some open discussion on it for those who are interested. :) )

Guess I should have actually done a search before posting this. I was just going on my memory. I just found a few threads and will read through them to see what was said. :)

We were on the fence as well, till suddenly we could get the shots for the kids at their peds with no wait just appointment times get there quickly type of thing. So this Sunday I had all 5 of my kiddos done with the shot version. I too was and am confused about the info out there, was researching and trying to be informed. So far none of the kids have had any ill effects from the shots. Schools are closing in surrounding areas here, some even admin. the nasal vac. to students.

We also plan on getting the flu shots too if they become available in our area again in November. At first, early this fall I thought it was all the same thing, one shot covers it all come to find its 2 different flu's, h1n1 and the regular flu oy.

Yeah, there was a thread a while back where we were discussing whether or not we were gonna get the vaccine. I said not at this point. We don't vaccinate as a rule, but do remain open to the leading of the Lord. If He says GO, we'll go. :mrgreen:

I'm watching this virus closely. Wondering if it's gonna be as bad as they warn? There were 4,000 cases at our local university. No deaths. Justin's also had some employees out with it. They've been telling him their symptoms were like any other flu. I heard on the news of a death in our state a week or two ago. A man in his 30's.

I just don't know.... [whatthink] Sitting on the wall, watching and praying; refusing to worry, though it's taken a conscious effort.

[lovesign]

Joy [welcomewave]

I'll do a regular flu shot but not the h1n1. I just don't feel as if there is enough consistent information on it.

I received this email from my FIL.
I don't know how much of it is fact or fiction, but I guess you could check it out on snopes to find out.

Non-Classmates: Dr. Russell Blaylock graduated from
> > Ouachita Parish High School in 1963. I've attached a bio
> > on his professional credentials .
> >
> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Russell Blaylock
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Linda,
> >
> > No one should take the swine flu vaccine. It is one of
> > the most dangerous vaccines ever devised. It contains an
> > immune adjuvant called squalene (MF-59) which has been shown
> > to cause severe autoimmune disorders such as MS, rheumatoid
> > arthritis and Lupus. This is the vaccine adjuvant that is
> > strongly linked to the Gulf War syndrome, which killed over
> > 10,000 soldiers and caused a 200% increase in the fatal
> > disease ALS (Lou Gehreg disease). This virus H1N1 kills by
> > causing a "cytokine storm," which
> > means that it cause the body's immune system to
> > overreact and that is why it is killing young people and is
> > a mild disease in the elderly. (The elderly have weakened
> > immune systems.) This vaccine is a very powerful immune
> > stimulator and carries the real possibility of making the
> > lethality of the virus much greater.
> >
> >
> > One's best protection is vitamin D3. One should take
> > 5000 IU a day now and when the disease e begins to spread
> > increase the dose to 15,000 IU a day. Vitamin D3 modulates
> > the immune reaction, reducing the chance of an overreaction
> > and stimulates the body to produce what are called
> > antimicrobial peptides, which are powerful killers of
> > viruses that does not involve immunity. This is dose
> > related, which means the higher the dose of vitamin D3 the
> > better the protection. Fish oils (the best is Carlson's
> > Norwegian lemon flavored fish oil) also reduce immune
> > overreaction. One teaspoon a day should be sufficient. For
> > severe symptoms, one teaspoon twice a day. Antioxidants of
> > various kinds also help. This includes, quercetin,
> > curcumin, grapeseed extract, vitamin C and natural vitamin
> > E. A good multivitamin/mineral such as Extend Core ( www.vrp.com (http://www.vrp.com) ) is also
> > essential.
> >
> > Feel free to spread this around. People need to know how to
> > protect themselves.
> >
> > Russell
> >
> >
> > RUSSELL L. BLAYLOCK, M.D.
> >
> >
> > Dr. Blaylock is a board certified neurosurgeon,
> > author and lecturer. He attended the LSU School of Medicine
> > in New Orleans and completed his general surgical internship
> > and neurosurgical residency at the Medical University of
> > South Carolina in Charleston , South Carolina . During his
> > residency he ran the neurology program for one year and did
> > a fellowship in neurosurgery after his residency. For the
> > past 25 years he has practiced neurosurgery in addition to
> > having a nutritional practice. He recently retired from both
> > practices to devote full time to nutritional studies and
> > research.
> >
> >
> > During his residency training he worked with the eminent
> > neurosurgeon, Dr. Ludwig Kempe. Together they developed the
> > transcallosal removal of intraventricular tumors, which is
> > still used today. Dr. Blaylock presented their cases
> > utilizing this technique to the Congress of Neurological
> > Surgeons. They also developed the ventriculolymphatic shunt
> > in the treatment of hydrocephalus. In addition, they
> > conducted neuroanatomical studies together with the aim of
> > developing improved approaches in vascular intracranial
> > surgery.
> >
> >
> > It was during his residency that Dr. Blaylock did much of
> > the primary work on intraventricular monitoring of
> > craniocerebral trauma patients, which was reported in the
> > scientific literature. He also worked closely with Dr. Peter
> > Jannetta during Dr. Jennetta?s early research on vascular
> > compression of the cranial nerves as a cause of trigeminal
> > neuralgia and hemifacial spasm. Dr. Blaylock was one of the
> > first neurosurgeons to utilize high-intensity nutritional
> > supplementation in craniocerebral trauma patients, which met
> > with great success.
> >
> >
> > Dr. Blaylock has written and illustrated three books. The
> > first book was on the subject of excitotoxins (
> > Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills ) and how they are
> > related to diseases of the nervous system. His second book,
> > Health and Nutrition Secrets That Can Save Your Life ,
> > covers the common basis of all diseases, nutritional
> > protection against diseases of aging, protection against
> > heavy metal toxicity, the fluoride debate, pesticide and
> > herbicide toxicity, excitotoxin update, the vaccine
> > controversy, protection against heart attacks and strokes
> > and contains a new chapter on omega-3 fats. This book has
> > been newly revised as an oversized paperback. His third
> > book, Natural Strategies for Cancer Patients , was released
> > in April, 2003 and discusses the ways to defeat cancer,
> > enhance the effectiveness of conventional treatments and
> > prevent complications associated with these treatments. In
> > addition, he has written and illustrated three chapters in
> > medical textbooks, written a booklet on nutritional
> > protection against biological terrorism and written and
> > illustrated a booklet on multiple sclerosis. He has written
> > over 30 scientific papers in peer-reviewed journals on a
> > number of subjects.
> >
> >
> > Since the publication of his first book he has been a guest
> > on numerous national and international syndicated radio
> > programs and appeared on the 700 Club several times. He
> > appeared on Nutritionally Living with Dr. Ward Bond.
> > Presently, he is engaged in a monthly radio program
> > discussing his book, Health and Nutrition Secrets on Raymond
> > Francis? program Beyond Health . The series will run for 12
> > months. He lectures widely to both lay and professional
> > medical audiences on a variety of nutritional
> > subjects.
> >
> >
> > Dr. Blaylock serves on the editorial staff of the Journal
> > of the American Nutraceutical Association and is the
> > associate editor of the Journal of American Physicians and
> > Surgeons , official journal of the Association of American
> > Physicians and Surgeons. He has a monthly nutrition
> > newsletter, published by NewsMax.com , The Blaylock Wellness
> > Newsletter .
> >
> >
> > Dr. Blaylock serves as the medical consultant f or the
> > Fluoride Toxicity Research Collaborative . He was recently
> > awarded the Integrity in Science award by the Westin Price
> > Foundation. Presently, he is a visiting professor in the
> > department of biological sciences at Belhaven College in
> > Jackson , Mississippi .
> >
> >
> > At present he is a member of the American Association of
> > Physicians and Surgeons, the American Nutraceutical
> > Association, the International and American Associations of
> > Clinical Nutritionist, the International Academy of Oral
> > Medicine and Toxicology, American College of Nutrition,
> > American Association for Health Freedom, National Health
> > Federation, American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine and the
> > Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation. He was recently
> > appointed as a member of the Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine
> > and the Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation. He was also
> > recently appointed as a member of the Scientific Advisory
> > Panel of the Life-Extension Foundation .
> >

Thanks for your comments ladies. ugh. It's just all so confusing. I don't think there are even any clinics scheduled for where I live yet, so we still have some time to decide.

Esther....I only skimmed those articles because I don't have time to read it all right now (I will later! :) ) but I do know that in Canada we have a "non-adjuvant" vaccine available. Also the note about Vit D is interesting...

ugh. It's just all so confusing.

I totally agree, Kim. That's the real reason why we hold off. More questions than answers. If we knew the vaccine was safe, we wouldn't hesitate. It's hard to know what to believe, which is why we're quite literally waiting on the Lord... and pleading the blood of Jesus, praying for protection. [lovesmile]

Blessings, dear girl!! [hug]

[lovewuvu]

Joy [welcomewave]

On a previous thread I said I wouldn't get vaxed however I have changed my mind. i am a nurse and since I come into so much contact with yuckies (great medical term huh?[halo]) I couldn't bear it if I brought it home to the kids. SO with my hubby's blessing I got my flu vax from work and will also get my H1N1 when they come in through my work. I don't have a peaceful heart about it simply because the info is confusing and scary. However bringing home h1n1 is also scary.
Just and FYI, of what I have heard from the different professionals I work with...

1. It is going to be a very bad year, seniors are actually less likely to get it, it will mostly be young adults and kids. the reason it will be worse then normal is because usually the flu season starts later however this year it has already began.
2. If someone has the "flu" this early in the season it is most likely h1n1. The regular flu season doesn't hit until around feb-march, so the "flu" that is around now is actually h1n1 because it is a heartier bug.
3. if you have flu like symptoms and a 100.4 temp, again it is most likely h1n1.
4. all the MD's I have contact with would not only give the Vax to themselves but also their families.

I believe you should do whatever the Lord convicts you of. I think if I wasn't a nurse I probably wouldn't get the h1n1 vax and maybe only the flu.

Most all of my family came down with the flu at 3 weeks postpartum. I'm wondering if that was H1N1 now.

Most all of my family came down with the flu at 3 weeks postpartum. I'm wondering if that was H1N1 now.

Like I mentioned previously, I suspect I've already had it too. But since I don't run to the doctor every time I'm sick (particularly because I've had bad experiences with several of the doctors where I live on the few occasions that I have gone in), I wasn't diagnosed. That said, I was laid up for the better part of a week. It hit me out of nowhere like a brick....one minute I was fine, the next I was sick. The fever was awful...meds wouldn't break it. Lead limbs, lethargic, couldn't eat....you name it I experienced it. *If* I did have it, then supposedly I'm protected anyway.

After looking into it this afternoon, it looks like the clinics for the vax is today/tomorrow and then a couple of days next week. We won't be going in this week for sure, and we'll continue to pray about it before next week. At this point, I'm really not feeling led to get it, but we'll see. I completely hear what you say, JoyLynn, about there being more questions than answers. And Becky, I appreciate your input too.

been thinking about this all day and discussing it on facebook here are some of the things I found:
Here was my inicial response to my friends question:
"I'm a big no-er EXCEPT the reports about the fact that more and more children are dying from it. Because brandon has asthma both he and emme will get the shot. Shot vrs nasal spray. Huge delema- here's how I made my choise: Shot contains the virus killed/dead and also, thimerosal (a preservative to keep the vaccine germ free) which is what people fear is causing autism. the nasal spray contains a weakend live virus. My thought process was this- both children have had other shots and neither is autistic so, I'm going to assume that thimerosal doesn't effect my children that way if it is indeed the guilty culpret to some children's autism. The weakend version, though it says it won't give you the illness, can't be given to children under 2 (unlike the shot) and has to be given to persons in good health. I assume that's because one would want the ammune system in peek condition if you're going to be introducing a live virus even if it is weakend. So, because I don't know if either of them might have a virus they're already starting to fight when it's time for the spray- I'm opting for the shot. I don't love it but, I'd die if they died from the virus and brandon with asthma is a special concern."
course that's just for US mama's since canada doesn't have the spray yet.
then here's the link I posted for a homeopathic detox for vaccines:
http://www.liddell.net/p42/Detox-Vaccines/product_info.html (http://www.liddell.net/p42/Detox-Vaccines/product_info.html)
then there's the link for wikipedia on Guillain-Barre syndrome- a nervous systome problem that is the leading cause of non- trauma induced paralysis that was strongly associated with the 1976 swine flu vaccine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain-Barr%C3%A9_syndrome
Then there is the link my friend posted- question and answers- it's about the vaccine in canada but, it's where I first heard about adjuvants:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/h1n1-swine-flu/reader-questions-on-h1n1-answered/article1329448/
my head hurts and I'm still not at peace. . .we'll see about tomarrow. Hope some of that helps. -ren

also read in that last article that non-adjuvanted has a hugely larger amount of mercury (thimerosal is mercury based) than the adjuvanted. . .ugh! you really have no where to turn- all the options are bad!

I think the media is horrible at giving out conflicting information and thus clogs our brains! Our local media at one point was saying pregnant women should not be vaccinated, then they said there was a special shot for pregnant women that didn't have mercury?! but it's only available in certain areas. Those are just the couple conflicts that I've heard, it's just so hard to get good information these days.

Ren.....it's actually some of your posts that really kick started my research and conversations today. (And I needed the kick! lol. So thanks! :D ) Thanks for those links...I will look into them further, but probably tomorrow. I think my brain is done for tonight. lol

Jessy...you are so right! I've heard conflicting reports on what pregnant women should do too. It feels like every time you turn on the news, you hear something that is in direct conflict with what you heard previously. How on earth are people supposed to make informed decisions when you never feel properly informed??? It's enough to make me crazy! [whatwacko]